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Dear ladys, gentlemen and others, Like the title says this is about legal concessions, why they exist and my view on one of the rules stated in "The Orca Cola Championshiop Rulebook". I hope it is ok for me to post this in the Quesion part of the Forum but i couldn't find a better place to put it. Disclaimer: What I'm writing here is my oppinion and the beautifull thing about oppinions is that in most cases there is no right or wrong but rather just objective truthes. You are more then welcome to not share my oppinion or disagree with me on what i'll be writing. I hope i find the right tone to not upset/offen anyone. Context for everyone that didn't notice what happened threw discord: Yesterday I played my first match of The season 20 in T1A against Rama set and his Chaos Team. By turn 13/14 (not excectly sure which of the 2 anymore) 9/11 of my players had been cassed. There where no KO's so i was down to 2 players max period which both where loner skinks. At this point I legal conceded the match which i thought was within my "rights" (don't know a better word for it atm sorry) to at least denie another free 3spp for a chaoswarrior Touchdown to have some form of miniscule emotional victory. I did not give up the game nor did i even play for preservation of the Team. I went in with every last player i had untill there where close to none left to try to abide by the rules about giving up early/throwing a game. After the game and some back and forth in the discord Pidpad (i think it was him if not my bad) pointed out to me that what i did was not ok/wrong/forbidden. In "The Orca Cola Championshiop Rulebook" Part IV under C the following is stated: Note: Please refer to Parts 1-A1, 1-B4 and 2-A1 to understand the intention of the following rules. Every match has two coaches that have set aside time to play, and every coach deserves to play their match to completion. Harsh penalties are enforced as a form of deterrence against uncompleted matches. 1. Legal concessions are exempt from this rule. A coach may legally concede by quitting the match when unable to field three players at the start of a drive. So we got into it a little discussin over this rule because of the following. In my oppinion "when unable to field three players at the start of a drive" Is a conditioning sentence that has in no way or form anything to do with a point in time. It clearly sets a condition that is: " If you can't field 3 players" so if you only have 2 left the condition is met at any point in time. It was pointed out to me that my interpretation of this rule was wrong or that at least it is meant differently so that you can only concede a Match legaly when 1. you have 2 or less players and 2. It is the start of a drive. Now let's take some examples to make it practical. Let's say I'm ahead (doesnt matter by how much but for the sake of the argument let's say 1-0), It's the second half and my opponent is on offence. Unless he scores early and goes for the win the most likely outcome is a draw the way i see it since in most cases you won't be at the point of a possible legal concession by turn 8 or even early in the second half. So there is close to no case or rather no case the way i see it in which you would concede and give away a free win instead of taking the draw. So there is not realy an applicable way for the legal concession rule in this case. This exact scenario happend to me last season again Naoufel70 and his nurgle. By Turn 12 i was down to a single skink. I could have legal conceded but i was up 1-0 and he decided that stalling 4 more turns was the way to go instead of going for the win against a single player. Let's say it's a draw or or your opponent is ahead. Unless nuffle decided he wants you to quit bloodbowl getting to the range of a legal concede is mostly if not rather exclusivly something that happens in the second half. If this scenario happens and you think that your opponent has any idea how bloodbowl works it is safe to say in my oppinion that you will lose the game and there are no two ways about it unless your he decides to dunno passfarm or foul turn 16 or some other ludicrous actions that stop his score on turn 16. As example we can just take what i stated in the beginning of the Post about my last match. Now i had some time to think about the whole ordeal and i honestly can't see the reasoning behind the rule the way it was explained to me. In my oppinion Legal concessions are a way to escape a dicing and/or to punish people trying to do nothing but to remove the opponents Team so that they aren't gifted another 3 free TD spp on top of what copious amounts of spp they got for putting your Team threw the meatgrinder. It is meant to punish people for not paying attention or not minding the state of the game. Now let's take this a step further and use the rule the way it was explained to me and apply it to my last game. If i now understand it correctly the right way to act would have been wait till your opponent scores (most likely late in the half) and after he got his touchdown which would seal the result i would be allowed to concede since now we are starting a new drive. Picture this: It is turn 16, you have 2 (or less) players left and you are reciving the ball. You now have 3 Options. 1. Take your blocks if you have players left to throw blocks and then klick end Turn to end the game. 2. Just skip the Turn to end the game. 3. Take the legal concede to artificially wreck up the score board to give your opponent who just put your team threw the meatgrinder an advantage on the scoreboard increasing his chances on winning the division. I don't know about you guys but i can't see a way where i would ever decide to go for Option 3 and i think/hope most people would agree with me on that. So what are legal concessions for and when can you use them? The only way i see realy is by beeing pitchcleared so early in the second half that the opponent has enough time to score another TD. I think it's not to far fetched to say that a scenario where you are pitchcleared by turn lets say 12 or 13 with no KO's to speak of that can come back is rather rare. So why am i writing all this and rambling on about the Topic? These are the 3 Options I propose: 1. Change The rule for legal concedes to the standard rule that is implemented in Bloodbowl 2. You could talk about variations like "if fieldable people + KO's is < 3 you can concede at any point". This would be an actual rulechange and not just a tweaking to make legal concessions viable/have a purpose. 2. Change the wording of the rule so people like me don't get confused. "A coach may legally concede by quitting the match when unable to field three players. He is only allowed to concede at the start of a drive" like this or some variation of what i proposed the phrasing is more on the point/unnegotiable and it might mitigate people from misinterpreting the rule. 3. If you are not willing to go with what i proposed under "1." why not get rid of legal concessions completly? There wouldn't be a chance for something like this to happen again and like i hopefully managed to point out the way the rule is implemented at the moment the chances are slim to none for a situatin to occur where it takes effect . The way the rule is implemented at the moment in my oppinion promotes trying to reduce your opponents Team to nothingness. We already have a bash heavy meta in Bloodbowl 2. It doesn't matter if you look into CCL or the OCC you will find bashy 2k tv killteams at/around the top with, in alot of times, the sole purpose of killing your opponents team cause it seems to me like some people don't know how to win a game of Bloodbowl without beeing up some/alot of men. Blocking the possibility to legal concede at any point of the Match (as long as you meet the conditions) is another bonus given to already broken Kill teams which honestly are strong enough as is the way i see it. I hope people don't take this the wrong way and if you decide to not change a thing i completly understand. I'm sorry for causing that much of a comotion since i guess i'm the first person to ever interpret the rule incorrectly and hope everyone reading this has a great day. Best regards Igralius