Pidpad Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 Why not? It seems like a very fair way to sort coaches into tiers when starting from a fresh situation. Because we can't seed the first tournament/season in a sensible way (if we could, there would be no need for a seeding tournament). By random chance one group could consist of very good coaches and another less so. I want to eliminate that random chance a bit by having a few steps in the tournament, say 2-3 group stages (easiest way to ensure that everyone plays the same amount of games), that should mean that even if you end up in a stupidly hard group and finish last you'd still have a shot at a decent place come the end of it all if you are good enough. Everything about the seeding tournament is speculation at this point though, even from me. It all comes down to how many participate. We might end up doing just what you suggested, we might end up doing something else. When the time comes we'll see (and the more suggestions given the more ideas we have to work with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
danton Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I think it's unlikely though that all the best coaches end up in the same groups through random seeding, especially if there are a lot of teams participating in the first season. Also random is fair, even when it doesn't appear to be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 2 3 2
Pidpad Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 We actually had at least one group with two OCC winners back in S1. Group 11 had me and General Kale (and Kreugen, serial top division player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
dode Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 We actually had at least one group with two OCC winners back in S1. Group 11 had me and General Kale (and Kreugen, serial top division player).So? danton is right: random may not produce an even distribution (which appears to be what you are after) but it is fair. And a shit-load easier to manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
St. Cloud Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I can only second what Daton says about the Big Crunch. We did it again for the Big Crunch 2 and it worked out just fine i think...yeah maybe you do get the odd great coach who misses out but you definitely don't get anybody undeserving. All coaches in the top tier in season 2 have probably won their division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rymdkejsaren Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 The DOCC is going to have a champion for the first time in season 3. The first two seasons were used as seeders first for T1 then championship division. For a larger sample of coaches, give it another few seasons. I think it's fair as it ensures no one wins the title without having fought their way through X seasons first. It makes the title bear weight from the first time it is won. So start everyone out in random divisions, all at the same level/Tier (in the middle). Then promote/demote according to results. Repeat for X seasons and the cream will rise (and turds will sink). Then tack on the Champs. Problem solved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 2 4 2 2 3 2 2
Pidpad Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 Step 1: See how many participants we get. Step 2: Decide on a method. Not sure how many times that has to be mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
Pidpad Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 The DOCC is going to have a champion for the first time in season 3. The first two seasons were used as seeders first for T1 then championship division. For a larger sample of coaches, give it another few seasons. I think it's fair as it ensures no one wins the title without having fought their way through X seasons first. It makes the title bear weight from the first time it is won. So start everyone out in random divisions, all at the same level/Tier (in the middle). Then promote/demote according to results. Repeat for X seasons and the cream will rise (and turds will sink). Then tack on the Champs. Problem solved? This is what I've been suggesting. X rounds of group play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
Rymdkejsaren Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Oh. Well, then I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 2 4 2 2 3 2 2
Iffrit Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Step 1: See how many participants we get. Step 2: Decide on a method. Not sure how many times that has to be mentioned. Nah! Much more important: Step 0: Discuss until everyone has his/her own opinion and is not willing to back up the least bit, then Step 0.1: Shout Call it 'early access' and charge money for it, then you hit the trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Pidpad Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 We'll end up there anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
Borke Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I should get you into contact with a friend of mine. In my opinion Excel was designed for him exclusively. You two should get along nicely. ^^ On that note: http://xkcd.com/1667/ Where on that scale would Pidpad's spreadsheet fit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 3 3
Ramtut_III Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 So? danton is right: random may not produce an even distribution (which appears to be what you are after) but it is fair. And a shit-load easier to manage. Totally agree, without forgetting random is also a named god in this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 2
Everblue Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 This is one of those situations where Pidpad should just not tell us what he's doing. If asked he should just shout the word RANDOM until people go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal_HM Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Just had this sent to me? Am I missing something, the text and the image do seem to contradict each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomy77 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 You should pay more attention to the Tier 2 threads, youngling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4
Verbal_HM Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 So it's Khemri then? Not Nurgle? Despite it saying: 'Blood Bowl 2 PC owners will receive the Norse, the Nurgle, the Undead and the Necrmantic for free, as long as they purchase the game before the races release.' I'm struggling to catch context, are there 5 races in the pipe or is the french word for Khemri to bloody close to the french word for Nurgle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDawg Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere on the official forum they said it is nurgle instead of khemri, no idea how they can't even get the graphic right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Javelin Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Yes, its nurgle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 2 2 4 3 2
Rymdkejsaren Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 They are pretty amazing at this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 2 4 2 2 3 2 2
Verbal_HM Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 They are pretty amazing at this stuff. <Ba'dum'tish> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamy Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I'd suspect Khemri next though, since skeletons are already being made for Undead, so pimping a couple to make the Ra:s and messing about with some mummies to make tomb pappies is the easy work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Breschdleng Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I'd suspect Khemri next though, since skeletons are already being made for Undead, so pimping a couple to make the Ra:s and messing about with some mummies to make tomb pappies is the easy work? Well following that logic they should have been able to release Goblins already^^ I mean Goblins as well as Trolls we have with the Orcs, only need a few secret weapons added ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 2 5
Dreamy Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Well following that logic they should have been able to release Goblins already^^ I mean Goblins as well as Trolls we have with the Orcs, only need a few secret weapons added ^^ You mean "just as easily". And indeed they should be able to bring in "soon". (All times are soon for Cyanide) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Pidpad Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share Posted May 5, 2016 I actually think that it's playstation network that's the roadblock here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
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