Skotch 0 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Just some odd statistics while playing with the teams in the top 100 ELO rankings. Number of teams in the top 100 by race: 1. Dark Elf - 15 2. Chaos - 14 3. Orcs - 12 4. Wood Elf - 10 5. High Elf - 8 6. Skaven - 6 6. Necro - 6 8. Lizardmen - 5 8. Dwarf - 5 10. Pro Elf - 4 10. Undead - 4 12. Norse - 3 12. Amazon - 3 12. Human - 3 15. Vampire - 1 15. Khemri - 1 Average rank for a race in the top 100 1. Lizardmen - 14.6 2. Chaos - 35.6 3. Pro Elf - 36 4. Skaven - 36.2 5. Norse - 43.3 6. Wood Elf - 45.2 7. Dark Elf - 49.7 8. Amazon - 50 9. High Elf - 53.8 10. Vampire - 60 11. Khemri - 62 12. Necro - 62.5 13. Orcs - 65.8 14. Dwarf - 75 15. Human - 77.7 16. Undead - 78.8 Again it probably doesnt mean much but it was fun to figure out. Kept me busy at work =.= 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EasyComputer 5 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Not a single Nurgle team in top-100? I knew they were not that good, but still. And only one Khemri. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anglakhel 32 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Those teams both take more time to develop and are less likely to string together a couple brilliant early seasons. Give it a few more seasons and things will start to change. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magus 44 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 It's a shame the first 3 seasons aren't included because quite a lot of players had them determine their positions due to those. Also rerolling is an important factor, someone rerolling to T7 is more likely to have a nice win record than someone staying in Tier 1-2. And yes things will probably balance themselves with time regarding the LE teams. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tigga 79 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 It's a shame the first 3 seasons aren't included because quite a lot of players had them determine their positions due to those. Yeah. Not much can be done about the first three seasons. I'm considering putting in bodge whereby teams in higher divisions in season 4 have a higher initial ranking. This should at least partially take into account Season 1-3's results. I'm thinking something like 50 point increments between the tiers, with tier 1 starting on 1650. This roughly tallies with where things are at at the moment anyway. Also rerolling is an important factor, someone rerolling to T7 is more likely to have a nice win record than someone staying in Tier 1-2. The thing with Elo is that win record isn't everything. There are numerous examples of this down the lists. Naecken has the same score as yourself, for example, however he's on 23-13-9 and you're on 23-8-14. He obviously has a better win record, but you achieved yours against higher rated opponents. Likewise we can compare Braka (1579, 23-8-13), Chirs (1620, 23-9-13) and Galdred (1656, 24-8-13) who have very similar win records, but quite a different Elo rating. If you reroll you'll potentially win more, but you'll also probably win more against lower ranked opponents and so will not climb as high up the lists. If you beat somebody 200 points lower than you you only get half as many points as you would if you beat somebody on the same score, and if you draw/lose to them you'll end up losing quite a few points. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pidpad 1,378 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 It's a shame the first 3 seasons aren't included because quite a lot of players had them determine their positions due to those. Also rerolling is an important factor, someone rerolling to T7 is more likely to have a nice win record than someone staying in Tier 1-2. And yes things will probably balance themselves with time regarding the LE teams. Looking at the top 10, most of them have spent a significant time in Division 1, I'd say that's a good sign things are working as they should. That said, I'd also like season 1-3 included, but I really doubt we'll find the relevant information anywhere. (Heck, I can't even remember who I played during the first season). 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Awards 4 3 2 2
Doomy77 1,876 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 My first match ever in OCC was vs Dode and I was a stepping stone for Flix on his way to Division 1. The rest is a bit fuzzy. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Awards 4
Anglakhel 32 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 My first match ever in OCC was vs Dode and I was a stepping stone for Flix on his way to Division 1. The rest is a bit fuzzy. From what I can tell, Flix had exactly 18 stepping stones on his way to Division 1 and none of them could slow him down. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doomy77 1,876 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Ah yes. Back then the buzz was all "who is this guy? He's winning all the time!". These days it's just "Oh, Flix won the title again" like it's a law of nature. Flix is the Phil "The Power" Taylor of Orca. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Awards 4
dode 662 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Awesome stuff, Tigga. Pure coincidence that I'm 54th in the personal rankings and my current team is 54th in the team rankings - I believe I have found my level 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Awards
Gobrugda 5 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 It's all downloaded using the commands given here: http://94.23.239.117/BloodBowlManager.WebService.Public/PublicService.asmx by a python program I wrote. If anybody wants the source I'm happy to share. It would be awsome to have a look at the source! I've been playing around with making some android apps using the bbm-stats (allthough other stuff has been taking too much time lately). This looks like a really good thing you've got going. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeXus 14 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 lol, look at me as the worst placed Div 1 team if I can find some wins this season I should be able to move up a bit. My team is missing scores from the first few seasons though being S1 Veterans. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tigga 79 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 It would be awsome to have a look at the source! I've been playing around with making some android apps using the bbm-stats (allthough other stuff has been taking too much time lately). This looks like a really good thing you've got going. I'll PM you once I'm done poking this bit. lol' date=' look at me as the worst placed Div 1 team if I can find some wins this season I should be able to move up a bit. My team is missing scores from the first few seasons though being S1 Veterans. [/quote'] The aim is to take this into account in the next revision. At the moment I start all teams in Season 4 with 1500 points. I'm going to change this so that teams in tiers 1-3 start off above 1500 points. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anglakhel 32 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I'll PM you once I'm done poking this bit. The aim is to take this into account in the next revision. At the moment I start all teams in Season 4 with 1500 points. I'm going to change this so that teams in tiers 1-3 start off above 1500 points. I guess that just means we'll earn more points for beating teams that started from Season 1-3, right? That should probably keep me from dropping too far in the revision. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dode 662 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 It would be awsome to have a look at the source! I've been playing around with making some android apps using the bbm-stats (allthough other stuff has been taking too much time lately). This looks like a really good thing you've got going. You have GOT to link those for those of us with proper smartphones (you know, the ones where Steve Jobs doesn't get to dictate what you can do with it ) 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Awards
Anglakhel 32 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Need iPhone app. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skotch 0 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Android all the way, don't give those apple freaks nuthin!! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MILLANDSON 45 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Android all the way, don't give those apple freaks nuthin!! Here here! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Awards
Anglakhel 32 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Haters gonna Hate. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dode 662 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 And those more interested in style than substance are going to buy Apple 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Awards
Anglakhel 32 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Rumor has it that there are new Elo ratings on the way . . . Hope to have them by next Wednesday. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dalryk 156 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Who cares about that. Ang are you admitting to being an Apple fan? If so that's awesome. One more thing to pay you out about!!!! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anglakhel 32 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Who cares about that. Ang are you admitting to being an Apple fan? If so that's awesome. One more thing to pay you out about!!!! I'm a proud member of the Church of Jobs. I love the cool aide. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dalryk 156 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Bwahahahahahahhaaa. Oh man, and I thought your Dark Elf obsession was your most laughable trait..... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tigga 79 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 Currently hit a snag with getting pretty tables/sigs embedded into the forum. For now, for all you stats freaks out there, you can visit these webpages for your basic, not very pretty, numbers. http://bbm.islanube.com/coaches.php http://bbm.islanube.com/teams.php They'll update every hour and should be correct. The tables include all league and playoff games, but not feeder games. Teams in Div 1 in Season 4 are initialised with 1650 points, Divs 2a-2d are initilaised with 1615->1585 points and Div 3a->3d are initlaised with 1565->1535 points. Tiers 4 and 5, and all future entries, are initialised with 1500 points. K value remains at 32 for all matches. Hopefully by this time next week all this will be presented in a much prettier embeddable way. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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