Pidpad Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Ask away. I shall do my best to answer. Edit by Gobas If you dont know what Pidpad is talking about go there: http://www.orca-cola.com/beta/index.php/forum/233-announcements/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
narg Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Asking for a friend - if you're in Tier 2 this season, what's the lowest ranking you can achieve whitout being relegated? In a normal season it would be 7th but as there will be lots of bonus promotions I assume it will be different this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jounisii Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I know this ain't exactly to this conversation, but I say it anyway. Is it possible to start shuffle divs for those teams who remain in tier 2? Facing the same team over and over again can become tedious, especially if that match up ain't good for you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 2
yedee Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I'm quite fond of how everything works right now. Are those changes really necessary? Current promotion system was much more transparent to me then what you are suggesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidpad Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Asking for a friend - if you're in Tier 2 this season, what's the lowest ranking you can achieve whitout being relegated? In a normal season it would be 7th but as there will be lots of bonus promotions I assume it will be different this season? Nothing changes this season. It's next season there'll be lots of bonus promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
AllyRdr Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I like Jounisii's idea for mixing up the teams, although I understand it does add another level of work to the off season. It's something that could maybe be done every other season to limit the hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Pidpad Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 I know this ain't exactly to this conversation, but I say it anyway. Is it possible to start shuffle divs for those teams who remain in tier 2? Facing the same team over and over again can become tedious, especially if that match up ain't good for you. Short answer: No. A bit more elaborate: We (well, I) don't want my integrity questioned which it will be if we add random elements to seeding. Currently I can reseed divisions and end up with the same result every time, if we add randomness I can't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
Pidpad Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 I'm quite fond of how everything works right now. Are those changes really necessary? Current promotion system was much more transparent to me then what you are suggesting... This ought to be easier? If you are in the top 3 of any division you get promoted. If you are in the bottom 3 you get relegated. The only difference is the top tier, which already is an exception. Currently T2 is an exception from the norm as well. Don't be overwhelmed by my use of billions of colors Edit: As for the changes being needed. We want to address a few things like giving meaning to matches after md4 in the top division if you had a bad start. We think this will accomplish that. Promoting the same amount of teams from each division across the system is another thing this fixes as well. There's also a perceived glass ceiling in T2 with only 2 teams getting promoted which means fairly static divisions. Shuffling more teams around should help with that (and hopefully solves the issue Jounisii mentioned above as a bonus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
Chubberson Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Opens things up to racial diversity affecting results too, not too heavily, but it opens the door of opportunity a little. I like the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Moncap Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I know this ain't exactly to this conversation, but I say it anyway. Is it possible to start shuffle divs for those teams who remain in tier 2? Facing the same team over and over again can become tedious, especially if that match up ain't good for you. I think there will be more movement up than before, so it won't be as much if an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyRdr Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 All for the change in structure then if it does shake things up in terms of stagnation at the top (not something I've personally experienced as yet - I need to get there before I can become weary of it :P ). I like the basic premise of a proper league structure where you win you go up, you lose you go down as before, but with the chance to move up opened up more at the top end as this seems like it will do then. Basically (continuing my football analogies from the naming thread, though I want to keep the two issues separate), the main thing in any league is to avoid stagnation. For all that each league in Europe can try and peg itself as the "best" it's always the same 2-5 teams in each league who win things, the next 8-15 who stay behind, and then the occasional 2-5 at the bottom end of things who change from time to time. This is what we need to avoid and if this helps, then I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Tys123 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Asking for a friend - if you're in Tier 2 this season, what's the lowest ranking you can achieve whitout being relegated? In a normal season it would be 7th but as there will be lots of bonus promotions I assume it will be different this season? If I am reading it correctly when we change it will be as follows In Tier 2 Top 2 go into division 1 ( Now called the Championship ) Next 3 remain in division 2 ( The new 20 team division now called division 1) Bottom 5 go down to division 3 ( The 1st 40 team division now called division 2) In Tier 3 onwards Top 5 remain in division 3 ( Now called division 2 ) Bottom 5 go down to division 4 ( Now called division 3 ) Is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 20 7 3 4 2 3
AllyRdr Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 If anything as I read it, there will be less downward in the lower tiers and more bonus movement to up-fill the higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Pidpad Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 If I am reading it correctly when we change it will be as follows In Tier 2 Top 2 go into division 1 ( Now called the Championship ) Next 3 remain in division 2 ( The new 20 team division now called division 1) Bottom 5 go down to division 3 ( The 1st 40 team division now called division 2) In Tier 3 onwards Top 5 remain in division 3 ( Now called division 2 ) Bottom 5 go down to division 4 ( Now called division 3 ) Is that right? No. Top 2 from current T2 go to Championship Place 3-7 (20 teams) go to the new T1 Bottom 8 from T1 and top 3 from T3 make up the new T2, we fill the rest of the spots with bonus promotions. The teams relegated from T1 have first go at bonus promotions to the new T1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
Chubberson Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Im not a fan of Div one teams going to 3, doesnt seem right/fair. i misunderstood it. but alas, it is the OCC and will play whatever rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Pidpad Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Im not a fan of Div one teams going to 3, doesnt seem right/fair. i misunderstood it. but alas, it is the OCC and will play whatever rules They do have first go at bonus promotions though, so I doubt all of them will end up there that often. It's also there to give meaning to matches late in the season for those outside the title race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
Chubberson Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 They do have first go at bonus promotions though, so I doubt all of them will end up there that often. It's also there to give meaning to matches late in the season for those outside the title race. Forget that post I made, i was thinking tier three going into the championship, got confused with current tier one, my bad. in no way suggesting anyone was undeserving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Pidpad Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 That's why this thread is here. I mean, just because I understand where everyone goes (my spreadsheet, which I find absolutely logical after all) doesn't mean everyone who cares do. (I doubt everyone cares to be honest) Should also be said that it was a collaborate effort by the green suits, where we had several suggestions and people being against change and other fun bits. The one thing we learned for certain is that OCC will never have play-offs. Zephire has vetoed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
AllyRdr Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The one thing we learned for certain is that OCC will never have play-offs. Zephire has vetoed that. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Pidpad Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Good. Just so you know, you seem like a good replacement for me, should we ever need one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
AllyRdr Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Bizarrely, I've been teaching myself excel on and off in my spare time :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Pidpad Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 To be honest, I generally just use copy&paste and colors. It's enough to do seeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 4 3 3 2 4 2 2
Barristan Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Bizarrely, I've been teaching myself excel on and off in my spare time :P 'Masochist' springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javelin Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I'd say my understanding of the tiers and promotions/relegations is just as murky as it always was. Good thing I don't need to understand it to complain about it Thanks alot for your work and all the work the rest of the community puts into this league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards 2 2 4 3 2
PaloLV Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 You did this just because Goblins made Div 1 a while back, right? Couldn't stand the shame of Goblins having made the top tier so you had to make a new tier above that. I like the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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