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[BDawg]

I feel sorry for the catcher, a good standard piece (+guard) but blown out of the water by the awesomeness of his quarterback.  :P

[Chubberson]

Long Bombs on a 3+ with a built in RR must be awesome. Plans for accurate??

[Mynock]

What a beauty!

[stuartddj]

Long Bombs on a 3+ with a built in RR must be awesome. Plans for accurate??

Either sure hands or safe throw for last skill unless +1 str

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[Dreamy]

Long Bombs on a 3+ with a built in RR must be awesome. Plans for accurate??

4+ long bombs. He still fumbles on 3-2=1. That's why I said he should be defensive - he's huge on getting to and picking up loose balls.

And other thrower can the start throwing the easy offensive passes (to midfield catcher that runs up and hands off to scoring catcher)

[stuartddj]

4+ long bombs. He still fumbles on 3-2=1. That's why I said he should be defensive - he's huge on getting to and picking up loose balls.

And other thrower can the start throwing the easy offensive passes (to midfield catcher that runs up and hands off to scoring catcher)

No dreamy AG 6 is long bomb on 3+ at the moment he's both defensive and offensive thrower

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[danton]

No dreamy AG 6 is long bomb on 3+ at the moment he's both defensive and offensive thrower

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Nope - Dreamy is correct. Ag 6 is not better than Ag 5 for passing, because of the modifiers.

 

Ag 5 with Accurate throws a long bomb on a 3+, but Ag 6 needs 4+. This is because a long bomb has a -2 modifier and passes are fumbled on a modified 1 regardless of agility level, unless you have Safe Throw.

[stuartddj]

Nope - Dreamy is correct. Ag 6 is not better than Ag 5 for passing, because of the modifiers.

Ag 5 with Accurate throws a long bomb on a 3+, but Ag 6 needs 4+. This is because a long bomb has a -2 modifier and passes are fumbled on a modified 1 regardless of agility level, unless you have Safe Throw.

No it's not it uses the AG ref chart in the rule book

AG 1 6+

AG 2 5+

AG 3 4+

AG 4 3+

AG 5 2+

AG 6 1+

So quick pass would be 0+

Short pass would be 1+

Long pass 2+

Lomb bomb 3+ it works the same as dodging in TZ

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[stuartddj]

The fumble with out natural 1 only really happens with lower AG players say a elf thrower of AG 4 throws a long bomb needs a 5+ but rolls a 3 it's a failed pass and fumbles

AG 6 player rolls a 3 because his base roll is 1+ the -2 still leaves him at 1+ which is base roll so pass is complete only a natural 1 over rides base rolls needed

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[crimsonsun]

I SOOO hope we are in the same Division next Season Stu, I dont go out to kill like I used too but boy would I make an exception with those Elves, they are BEGGING to be curb stomped....

[Pidpad]

You are wrong stu. Dreamy and danton correct. If then cyanide have cocked things up is a different matter. Ill quote the relevant rulebook bits when I get home from work.

[crimsonsun]

Yeah the wording on Throwing is different to all the rest used in bloodbowl, so basically you need 3+ as the modifers go on last...

[stuartddj]

Which is what I said 3+ long bomb.

The 1 result isn't a fumble when it's a success only when a natural 1 or a failure. I know this to be the case as I've had ag6 elves before and long bomb is a 3+

Same as me dodging into 3tz I get +1 for dodge -3 for tz I roll a 3 still appear as a 1 after modifiers but that is my base pass roll so I only fail actions on scores of 0 or worse or a natural 1

[Tys123]

It is the other bit that says a modified 1 is a fumble.

 

So if you roll a 3 for a long bomb then with the -2 modifier you get a 1.

 

If you were doing anything except pass the ball this would be a success as AG6 needs 1+

 

However when passing it is a fumble.

 

Safe throw would turn it into a no pass and he would hang onto the ball as it isn't a natural 1.

[stuartddj]

It is the other bit that says a modified 1 is a fumble.

 

So if you roll a 3 for a long bomb then with the -2 modifier you get a 1.

 

If you were doing anything except pass the ball this would be a success as AG6 needs 1+

 

However when passing it is a fumble.

 

Safe throw would turn it into a no pass and he would hang onto the ball as it isn't a natural 1.

Yes it says that but the modified 1 is a success so it actually is a success the issue is not many ag 6 players are around. and reference crimsonsun rule book insert

[Tys123]

Read page 22 of the rulebook where it talks about fumbles.

 

It says if the D6 roll is 1 or less before or after modification then the throw has been fumbled.

 

If cyanide lets you complete the pass then it is a bug but I would have thought I would have heard about that before now.

[Pidpad]

Quoted from the rulebook. 

 

If the D6 roll for a pass is 1 or less before or after modification, then the thrower has fumbled and dropped the ball.

 

Surely that puts it to rest.

Can be found on page 22.

 

Agility 6 does nothing useful for passing. It helps in other circumstances though.

[Doomy77]

In my dabblings with elves I have found +AG to be marginal and expensive. +AG and Leap, however, is HUGE.

[jounisii]

A great thrower there, Stu. A decent catcher as well :P

 

I have to disagree a bit, Doomy. Having an +AG elf to pick up the ball and getting it to safety after the leap is huge. At least Boys like their AG5 throwers

[stuartddj]

I'm just hoping that he doesn't have the curse of my last ag6 player a total inability of pick the ball up especially with no negative modifiers

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[caracarn]

AG6 might look cool (and it's fun), but it's usually a waste of tv unless you plan on doing really crazy dodging. Accurate would probably have been a more tactical choice.

[stuartddj]

AG6 might look cool (and it's fun), but it's usually a waste of tv unless you plan on doing really crazy dodging. Accurate would probably have been a more tactical choice.

You obviously haven't seen my style of play AG 6 is a big help

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[caracarn]

You obviously haven't seen my style of play AG 6 is a big help

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I haven't :)

 

I guess if you need to dodge a lot in several tackle zones it can be of help.

[stuartddj]

I'm a aggressive strip ball and steal the run away like a girl player

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[Etheric]

Yeah go watch some of the replays from this season. Man stuartddj likes to live dangerously. I thought I was agressive, but I have got nothing on stuarddj. The even more amazing thing is that his team in still in one piece . But this season was reatively mild for me too until I got a wardancer killed by a rock from the crowd (conbined with an apo failure). Maybe should go watch your 5-3 game vs lizards .

 

The combination of agi 6 and str 4 is nasty for getting in cages for sure.

 

As an elf coach I love agi 5. Elves are all about elf BS, and agi 5 just adds a whole new layer of possibilities. I have a agi 5, sure hands, leap thrower and that guy combined with my strip ball wardancer (now sadly deceased) is the reason I won the most TDs in tier 3 this time. Knock the ball loose with strip ball, pick it up in trafic with sure hands, agi 5 and leap pass it to somewhere they can't get it back, score. Then do it again. I also ended up 3rd on the all time pass list with that guy, from 8 games (one adminned draw). Hmm maybe should post here as he is a superstar .